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		<title>By: Tina</title>
		<link>http://cfensi.wordpress.com/2009/04/24/epic-post-3-what-jackie-chan-was-really-talking-about/#comment-6427</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JC speaks the truth so truthfully that no one believes him...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JC speaks the truth so truthfully that no one believes him&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: 聚言莊﹕The House Where Words Gather</title>
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		<dc:creator>聚言莊﹕The House Where Words Gather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 04:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: warrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>warrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Key paragraph is here:

&quot;If we don’t control things, we’ll do things as we wish. Why can’t I eat gum in Singapore? You realize that it’s good to not being allowed to eat gum. If I give you gum, some people might take the gum and stick it on tables, put it on chairs without self-respect. Lots of people can’t respect themselves like many do in the US and Japan. When you’re disrespecting yourself, we’ll control you.If I give you complete freedom, let you do what you want, but now, many people wrongly use their freedoms, artistic freedom, human rights.&quot;

He sets the parameters for what he means by &#039;control&#039;. Most of the news reports seem to allude to democracy for some reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Key paragraph is here:</p>
<p>&#8220;If we don’t control things, we’ll do things as we wish. Why can’t I eat gum in Singapore? You realize that it’s good to not being allowed to eat gum. If I give you gum, some people might take the gum and stick it on tables, put it on chairs without self-respect. Lots of people can’t respect themselves like many do in the US and Japan. When you’re disrespecting yourself, we’ll control you.If I give you complete freedom, let you do what you want, but now, many people wrongly use their freedoms, artistic freedom, human rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>He sets the parameters for what he means by &#8216;control&#8217;. Most of the news reports seem to allude to democracy for some reason.</p>
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		<title>By: April 25, 2009 &#171; HKMDB Daily News</title>
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		<dc:creator>April 25, 2009 &#171; HKMDB Daily News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Go Singlung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Go Singlung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it is nonsense that Jackie hasn&#039;t supported pro-democracy movements. I have seen footage on youtube of him singing at and supporting a pro-democracy rally. Didn&#039;t understand a word of the Chinese but the banners are in English. I presume this wasn&#039;t an isolated incident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it is nonsense that Jackie hasn&#8217;t supported pro-democracy movements. I have seen footage on youtube of him singing at and supporting a pro-democracy rally. Didn&#8217;t understand a word of the Chinese but the banners are in English. I presume this wasn&#8217;t an isolated incident.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He does make a good point. Singapore is a &quot;controlled&quot; nation and for the better, but as for Chinese filmmaking - IMO it still needs to be more free. At the moment, it still too restricted, to the point that its hurting the industry&#039;s creative sectors, sapping the chances of China making a variety of genre movies. Also, catering to western audiences = big budget wuxias 24/7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He does make a good point. Singapore is a &#8220;controlled&#8221; nation and for the better, but as for Chinese filmmaking &#8211; IMO it still needs to be more free. At the moment, it still too restricted, to the point that its hurting the industry&#8217;s creative sectors, sapping the chances of China making a variety of genre movies. Also, catering to western audiences = big budget wuxias 24/7.</p>
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		<title>By: cfensi</title>
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		<dc:creator>cfensi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that the case? I&#039;m sorry, the first place I actually read about this was Yahoo!espanol (due to the way my mail inbox is setup) and then read the English Yahoo version (exactly the same as the Spanish one), which was horridly biased. I&#039;ve hated the way Yahoo in English works, because they filter out most Chinese friendly articles. I&#039;ve read articles daily from Yahoo for the last five years, and they&#039;ve always, always been ridiculously biased.

But I will not apologize for finger pointing at Western Media, because like with the Lip-synching article, many times they get things wrong because they don&#039;t know Chinese, and will propagate false information easily without fact-checking, and that is definitely the case here. And Yahoo news definitely twisted it into a political thing when they included this crap:


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&quot;The kung fu star has not been a vocal supporter of the pro-democracy movement in his hometown of Hong Kong. Since the former British colony returned to Chinese rule in 1997, voters have not been allowed to directly elect their leader. Several massive street protests have been held to demand full democracy, but Beijing has repeatedly said Hong Kong isn&#039;t ready for it.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



It seems everytime they talk about anything related to China, they have to give the same history lesson over and over that leaves out convenient facts, like the fact that under British rule HK had no democracy either. It&#039;s infuriating seeing this kind of crap every single time in Western Media.

You&#039;re right though, all the media seemed to have a field day with this particular report including Asian newspapers, where it hit a nerve. And HK media is no angel.

Edit: I took out the last paragraph, since I don&#039;t want to imply anything you didn&#039;t want to imply, since this was your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that the case? I&#8217;m sorry, the first place I actually read about this was Yahoo!espanol (due to the way my mail inbox is setup) and then read the English Yahoo version (exactly the same as the Spanish one), which was horridly biased. I&#8217;ve hated the way Yahoo in English works, because they filter out most Chinese friendly articles. I&#8217;ve read articles daily from Yahoo for the last five years, and they&#8217;ve always, always been ridiculously biased.</p>
<p>But I will not apologize for finger pointing at Western Media, because like with the Lip-synching article, many times they get things wrong because they don&#8217;t know Chinese, and will propagate false information easily without fact-checking, and that is definitely the case here. And Yahoo news definitely twisted it into a political thing when they included this crap:</p>
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&#8220;The kung fu star has not been a vocal supporter of the pro-democracy movement in his hometown of Hong Kong. Since the former British colony returned to Chinese rule in 1997, voters have not been allowed to directly elect their leader. Several massive street protests have been held to demand full democracy, but Beijing has repeatedly said Hong Kong isn&#8217;t ready for it.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>It seems everytime they talk about anything related to China, they have to give the same history lesson over and over that leaves out convenient facts, like the fact that under British rule HK had no democracy either. It&#8217;s infuriating seeing this kind of crap every single time in Western Media.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right though, all the media seemed to have a field day with this particular report including Asian newspapers, where it hit a nerve. And HK media is no angel.</p>
<p>Edit: I took out the last paragraph, since I don&#8217;t want to imply anything you didn&#8217;t want to imply, since this was your work.</p>
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		<title>By: idarklight</title>
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		<dc:creator>idarklight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s unfair to blame this on the Western media. The Hong Kong media was the first one to &quot;report&quot; this. I&#039;ve looked through the older news reports, and while most reports of the story were titled &quot;Jackie Chan on supporting Chinese products (this was the actual speech he gave that day. I can&#039;t find a copy of it, but it seems like all the &quot;insulting&quot; remarks were taken from this Q&amp;A section), the other ones say that a HK paper was the first to use this as headlines. It was then basically taken by everyone who didn&#039;t bother to find out what he really said before blindly bashing him.

I couldn&#039;t even find a Chinese transcript of this thing, and not a single Chinese newspaper that includes the actual transcript of the response (though there were a few that stated it was a misconception and Jackie Chan was not talking about people). What really made me mad was that most video reports had cut out  the two comments about control and only showed those two only, which means they obviously had the full video available but did not show them to the audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s unfair to blame this on the Western media. The Hong Kong media was the first one to &#8220;report&#8221; this. I&#8217;ve looked through the older news reports, and while most reports of the story were titled &#8220;Jackie Chan on supporting Chinese products (this was the actual speech he gave that day. I can&#8217;t find a copy of it, but it seems like all the &#8220;insulting&#8221; remarks were taken from this Q&amp;A section), the other ones say that a HK paper was the first to use this as headlines. It was then basically taken by everyone who didn&#8217;t bother to find out what he really said before blindly bashing him.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t even find a Chinese transcript of this thing, and not a single Chinese newspaper that includes the actual transcript of the response (though there were a few that stated it was a misconception and Jackie Chan was not talking about people). What really made me mad was that most video reports had cut out  the two comments about control and only showed those two only, which means they obviously had the full video available but did not show them to the audience.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i knew it wasnt as it seemed</description>
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		<title>By: lm</title>
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		<dc:creator>lm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for that, i always thought jc was quite level headed, like is comments on the beijing olympics were very reasonable, i couldn&#039;t believe he would say anything like what has been implied. this should be posted on some other sites. would also love to hunt down whoever wrote the original article. hope they get fired. wish jane mccartney would get fired too, but her $%^5 sells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for that, i always thought jc was quite level headed, like is comments on the beijing olympics were very reasonable, i couldn&#8217;t believe he would say anything like what has been implied. this should be posted on some other sites. would also love to hunt down whoever wrote the original article. hope they get fired. wish jane mccartney would get fired too, but her $%^5 sells.</p>
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