Older Chinese Singers Criticize the New Wave of “Idol” Singers in China

By cfensi
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Ding Wei at the Wind and Cloud Newcomers Awards: "You can not just rely on a pretty face"

So part of the reason I chose to post on the Wind and Cloud Newcomers Awards and spend the time to stick a bunch of MVs there, and tell you exactly which ones have composed their own songs is because you can form your own opinions on their singing ability and their compositional skills while you read to this follow up post to it.

If you watched the Awards you may not have noticed the people presenting the awards. They were older and not as good looking as the massive amount of eye-candy reaping the awards. But these people were the foundation of Chinese music, putting their heart and souls into writing beautiful music, and they must have felt uneasy seeing one by one these newcomers with pretty faces and still questionable talent going up to get awards that meant the face of Chinese music was changing from skills-based to more looks/performance-based.

Han Hong: “I only like Chen Chusheng “

I feel like most people have seen this video, Alan and Han Hong singing together, at least most people who know who they are, but it’s still a good contrast between the old generation and the new. Han Hong is probably one of the most famous Chinese singers ever, a female equivalent to Liu Huan (she sang at the Paralympics opening and Liu Huan at the Olympics). If you watch the video, listen to her ethereal voice and watch her expressiveness and her passion for the song (which she composed) you can see why.

Alan and Han Hong – Sky Road

Note the enthusiasm with which one of the male students holds up his “Han Hong” sign @ 1:58, the kind of enthusiasm usually reserved for fangirls and their idols.

Alan at the time was still a nobody, good of course but mostly chosen out of all her colleagues at the People’s Liberation Army academy (PLA) to do the duet because she was Tibetan like Han Hong. Han Hong not only has a beautiful voice but writes her own songs, like the beautiful Sky Road.

Yet Alan, with her natural singing voice and her quality PLA training probably puts half the new singers to shame, and some of them should probably just quit the music business altogether after hearing her. So if Han Hong feels a bit disgusted by the current trend of idols in singers, it’s easy to see why. Han Hong recently said, of the new singers with their “vulgar” songs, “I only like Chen Chusheng the winner of the 2007 Superboys”, a statement that spotlights the cracks in the current Chinese music industry.

Ding Wei : “Only those with strength in their skill can be popular forever, like Leehom, who can write his songs as well as sing them”

She is not the only one annoyed at the current trends in the Chinese music scene. As I have said before, Cui Jian, the father of Chinese rock, spoke out about this “Cow Dung into Gold” business way.

Ding Wei, a famous Chinese singer/composer who presented an award at the Wind and Chart awards said in her opinion not many of the newcomers were actually that talented in singing. “You can not just rely on a pretty face, because there is a time when everyone will grow old. Only those with strength in their skill can be popular forever, like Leehom, who can write his songs as well as sing them. The current competitions have let a lot of young people acheive their dreams, resulting in a surplus of singers.”

BOBO...pretty faces, good singing, but not as good as the older generation

BOBO...pretty faces and good singing, but not as good as the older generation

BOBO: “Right now we are young and still have time to learn”

BoBo responded to Ding Wei’s comments:

“We humbly accept the teachings of our predecessors, and we agree with their opinions. Only based on skill can singers grow.” In response to Ding Wei’s words that “false” artists will not make much money, “Before we used to go to school, and now as singers can make money by ourselves. This is a good feeling. We can support ourselves and our family”

They also acknowledged their reverence for another Chinese duo in attendance Yu Quan, who like I said before, recently celebrated their tenth anniversary as a group. They said “They write their own songs which we lack. We hope in the future to write our own songs, but right now we are young and still have time to learn”. (Jing Boran is 19 and Fu Xinbo is 21).

And while I like BOBO and their friendshp, I really can’t say that they are musical artists the way Ding Wei or Han Hong or Yu Quan are. Chinese music has never been about packaging based on looks or how personalities will appeal to a younger population, but it is changing quite rapidly to something close to that.

My Final Thoughts on the newcomers

So far, I feel like most of the younger Chinese artists have been in general rather passionate about music, rather than looking at it just as a medium to get famous. Most of them have good, great voices. Most of them studied music in university before achieving fame, and most of them have tried composing music in a very short amount of time.

However I can’t help but agree with the older artists, that they lack the amount of talent that artists before have had. And the future may present even less worthy young artists who are above average singers at best, will not even try to write their own songs unless forced to by their company to gain “credibility”, and lack any passion for the music. Any opinions on this?

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24 Responses to “Older Chinese Singers Criticize the New Wave of “Idol” Singers in China”

  1. tasithoughts Says:

    I believe that the music industry in almost every country has the same kind of conflict. History shows that talent usually wins.

  2. cfensi Says:

    @tasithoughts

    Really?I feel like in every country there are people who persist and have long careers despite having no talent.

    China does not have too many of these yet…but it’s only begun commercialization. But I think China eventually will have more of these talentless pretty faces…the most I can hope for is that the music scene will not be dominated by these “idols”

    I think what Ding Wei said is important….if you want a guarantee of long term success you need to compose too. I’ve seen former boyband members who had pretty nice voices, the nicest anyway of their group, who still failed as soloists because nobody wrote them good songs for their solo albums and as soloists they didn’t have that boyband “fanservice” to appeal to the fangirl masses anymore. Or their youth.

    Unless your voice is irreplaceable (ie Faye Wong), even a really good voice is no guarantee of long-term popularity. For a country as large as China, where I believe in the next few years…as more and more entertainment companies grow (Hua Yi recently opened up a training school scouting for artists), and more people decide to pursue music instead of the safe, doctor/engineer route the number of good, great singers to be found will probably be endless. You can not just stand out with a good voice. You need to stand out with GREAT voices. Otherwise, you had better learn to compose some of your own songs.

  3. hobielover Says:

    I hadn’t ever given Han Hong any attention, mostly because I’m young and not Chinese, so I don’t have relatives to expose me to the older singers. After hearing her sing, though, I’d really like to listen to more of her songs.

    In any country’s music industry, I think there are a lot of singers without much talent that get put out. Whether they survive in the industry, though, is an entirely different matter. Only time will tell, and I think it’s possible that the ones without talent will eventually fade away.

  4. Marie Says:

    I agree with the older singers. I’m not fond of this idol wave at all. Of course there are newer singers who are truly talented, but too often people are picked for their looks, or their dancing ability, or their “it” factor onstage.

  5. Stranger Says:

    Or there are people like Jane Zhang who can sing well and look amazing doing it. I don’t mind there being idol singers actually; they appeal to a different market altogether (Fahrenheit and F4 come to mind as I say these). Singer-songwriters do tend to persevere longer than idol singers, but who’s to stop these idols from coming onto the entertainment scene? They’re just not used to it yet because the whole idol concept is still new to them. But idols have been around in the Taiwan and HK scene for so long, it is just fair that the Chinese get a share of the spotlight too. I wouldn’t object to some eye candy around, just don’t make me listen to them all day. =P

    Speaking of Han Hong, I didn’t know she was from Tibet. No wonder she has such a great voice. She can just stand on top of a mountain and people from miles away can hear her beautiful voice. I mostly hear her singing duets though, the first song I heard from her was with Sun Nan singing the theme song for the Myth, which was amazing. (I think Jackie Chan and Kim Hee-sun sang another version for the movie which sounded pathetic in comparison)

  6. cfensi Says:

    “They’re just not used to it yet because the whole idol concept is still new to them. ”

    True…but I understand their pain. They had to work so hard to get where they are, and now some pretty boys who may not even care about music are getting more sales? It’s gotta hurt.

    There’s no stopping the idols though. Chinese fangirls do have quite a bit of money now, and they’re hungry to use it.I just ask that the Chinese idols are fairly talented as well (if not as talented), which most of them have been with a few missteps.

    I’ve never heard her and Sun Nan sing that song, but I will have to look it up. Her voice is very beautiful. I know a lot of people were like, Who’s that? just after hearing her sing a couple of lines in “Beijing Welcomes You”

  7. idarklight Says:

    I wasn’t really fond of the Myth song in general. I like her more Tibetan songs, like Sky Road.

    You don’t have to be from Tibet to sing like that…Tan Weiwei does a great job singing Tibetan styled songs (she did the Myth song duet with Jackie Chan once upon a time, too)….but then, I thought she was Tibetan for the longest time, especially with an English name like Sitar.

    Really? Her line in “Bejing Welcomes You” was pretty weak for her voice… I think the name that’s been asked a lot because of her voice (Na Ra and Joey got a lot of questions because they were pretty…and Allen because he looked like a Monkey) is Bibi. A lot of people asked about her in that video.

  8. nias Says:

    I remember the singer of China Lonely Day band once said that he wanted to do something different, a real chinese music , unlike the Taiwan and HK crap.
    I guess he was talking about the prepackage talentless singers/idols.

    I just realized how different the mainland chinese music quality (compared to Taiwan & HK) was when I visited the mainland. I didn’t like chinese music before cause most of them are from HK or Taiwan pop.

    I hope the mainland isn’t making the same mistake and exposing the world with too much prepackaged idols. Don’t take the great leap backward China!

    The ironic thing is…I kinda like Hit-5, mostly for their look, positive vibes and the fact that they’re from Zhejiang and Jiangsu ( so shallow, right)

  9. cfensi Says:

    @idarklight…I think you’re right it was BiBi. I think it was after people heard her in the paralympics or something. Anyway she got some sort of boost from the Olympics.

    @nias I feel like Taiwan and HK has quite a lot of talented singer/songwriters…but I guess manufactured pop give the rest a bad name, which is why I feel like the idols should be a small part of the music scene, instead of dominant or even half.

    All in all…it’s human nature to like pretty things.

  10. julie Says:

    pftt…get used to the 21st century

  11. ... Says:

    @julie

    amen.

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  13. nias Says:

    cfensi, totally agree with you, I hope HK will have another Beyond and I believe there are more than just pop idols in HK& Taiwan.

    But this is about image of your culture and country in a way. I’m not from HK/Taiwan/Mainland, so when I am exposed to those Disney like pop idols from HK/Taiwan, I and my countrymen think that chinese people can’t sing and they have bad taste in music/songs. Few years ago F4 had a concert and our media ridiculed them for their singing abilities and I watched a talent search show where one of the judges (Aussie guy I think) said that most taiwanese singers can’t sing. We already thought that japanese can’t sing, their singers makes millions of dollars but where is the voice? As for the Koreans, they sound better than the japanese but still not great in term of singing ability.

    Even expats/westerners prefer the mainland type of music cause it doesn’t sound prepackaged and the ballad songs have a different flavor/style (usually I’m not a big fan of ballads).

    I hope someone in this blog can write in chinese, so that the chinese singers/song writers/record companies/fans would stop following whatever HK and Taiwan do because they are perceived as a more mature economy and advanced. I think a lot of non-chinese don’t care about music coming out of Taiwan or HK, only some overseas chinese who listen to their music, but if the mainland continues its own path and develop original music, it may have a broader audience other than ethnic chinese or at least, we know that China got singers who can reach high notes.

    thanks.

  14. Miri Says:

    I completely agree. It’s even more prevalent in the Cantopop music industry, where the talent is pretty much at an all-time low. Most of the Cantopop stars nowadays are fluffy eyecandy (ex. Twins), or actress-turned-singer. Not that they don’t have -talent-, but it seems that they lack that special something that created the stars such as Anita Mui, Roman Tam, Sam Hui, etc.

  15. windowwatcher Says:

    This sort of makes me angry. Like, none of them sing amazing, but they’re not Fahrenheit either. I actually think compared with Jpop or Kpop, a lot of the mainland singers are quite decent. Also, it’s pop, and what’s popular now will likely die down in a few years or months, but you can’t stop people from liking what they want.

    Whatever, I just hate when people keep pushing for more “real music” or whatever. All of the pop stars now are talented in at least one way that these “real musicians” aren’t: They know how to get people to pay attention to them.

  16. idarklight Says:

    @ windowwatcher None of them sing amazing? Who are you referring to becaused plenty of the younger singers have quite amazing voices. Like Bibi. Like Alan. Like Chen Chusheng. Like Wei Chen. Like Jane Zhang. Like He Jie. Or like Jade Liu. And many of them can compose very well. Like Chen Chusheng. Or Xue Zhiqian. Or Hou Xian.

    As for talent, there are idols whose sole talent consists of good looks. No offense, but HIT-5 has been terribly boring and can’t sing that well. Yet they got fans the minute their pictures came out.

    For fans, it may not matter. But for a music industry, it’s detrimental. Singers who can’t sing drive the lipsynching business, which makes good voices basically unnecessary. It also takes money from people who actually can sing and can compose. And when the first singers someone sees from a country is people like Wu Chun, then that’s a big problem.

    Idols can be good. For example, Chris Lee’s fanclub has a very successful charity organization. However, I do object to an idol-ran industry. They should at least like music and can sing live. There’s a difference between idols like Chris, who loves music and who sets a good example and idols like Ma Tianyu, who doesn’t really care about the world, who doesn’t like music and who can’t sing. But he did get into the Bejing Film Institute, so lets hope he can act.

  17. cfensi Says:

    @idarklight don’t forget Wang Yuexin! He needs work, but his dolphin voice goes straight to my heart.

    Objectively I think you’re not giving HIT-5 too much credit while you are giving TC more credit for what they have shown…they have about the same amount of good singers as Top Combine. As for personality…I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt since they’re younger. I like TC better too though.

    OMG…Ma Tianyu got into Beijing Film Academy? How? He doesn’t seem that bright, and it’s not like America, where “extracurriculars” count for As or something.

    That school makes me sad…so prestigious, so many hot guy graduates, and none of them are getting jobs! Instead they give the jobs to people who can’t even speak Chinese like Kim Junghoon (I like him, but I want the other hotties to get famous) just because they are more famous and draw ratings.

    @windowwatcher – Han Hong is one of the most famous people in China… How can you say she doesn’t get attention? All of these people get attention, and mostly from having fought for it, through their music, rather than a company helping them, or competition shows, or anything else like that.

    @ everyone else – very interesting comments….I really wish I had time to get to your comment nias, but it’d open up a full blown conversation and I really don’t have the time. But maybe later I’ll come back to this post.

  18. idarklight Says:

    btw, while those people barely gets any attention outside of mainland, they’re popular in mainland. One of the best selling albums of the year was by Xu Wei, who is not hot at all but composes his own songs. Han Hong is currently in the lead for a poll “public person with best reputation” right now, winning over Jane Zhang.

    And I think it says something that Chen Chusheng won Super Boys over Allen Su, Wei Chen, Zhang Jie, Wang Yuexin and Yu Haoming, who are all a lot hotter and more entertaining than him.

  19. idarklight Says:

    This is rather random…but I decide to look up Ding Wei, and her songs are gorgeous. Her compositions are beautiful, and her voice is, too.

  20. kale Says:

    @idarklight,
    how to write xu wei and ding wei in chinese character, i searched in youtube but nothing came up..thank you

  21. idarklight Says:

    许巍 and 丁薇

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